Paarthurnax will now want you to prove him that you're the Dragonborn and use the newly unlocked Shout on him. I think the beth are not to blame. -- If you kill Paarthurnax you won't be able to use him to learn locations of word walls (you can find that info elsewhere, however) and you won't be … He helped Alduin enslave our ancestors. Ma Personnage At the end of the summit you are approached by Esbern and Delphine who tell you that the Dragon Paarthurnax needs to die for his past crimes or they will no longer cooperate with you. Then at the end of the game he disappears and now its IMPOSSIBLE for me to kill him and the Blades keep telling me that I need to. There is a link to a mod above in the comments, maybe you can add that to your xbox? Paarthurnax. and you faster go to the greybeards to give you the way to paarthurnax . But in my eyes he redeemed himself and earned a chance. Judging from your interactions with the Blades, this seems to be true. Is there a way to continue the blades quest without killing Paarthurnax? I really want to do the Blades questline in Skyrim BUT they want me to kill a certain someone and I don't think that's necessary. Then you can release these self-righteous, double standard asses from their oath by sending them to Sovngarde. They have always sought to turn the Dragonborn from the path of wisdom. And then still be with the blades and paarthurnax. Innocent until proven guilty! The will to power is in our blood. Tells you about the Elder Scroll and the time Wound. Gaining Reputation with The Blades you will (would – don’t even think about it!) What is better – to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? They told me to kill Paarthurnax (basically for no reason) and I refused to. And since the Dov is a dragon, too you can run your char down a cliff right after you killed Paarthurnax, too. Paarthunax was merciful to humanity, betrayed his kin to save the weaker. After that i told the blades i did it, got a blessing, some mead, and then Fus Ro Dahed their butts off a cliff. why cant you write down parthurnax’s code, finish the quest, then resurrect him? Au contraire… You do need a PC […] THEN, you can USB your save game off xbox, put it on the pc, issue the commands, restore the game to the USB, load the game on your Xbox and voila! the reason it doesnt work on esborn is because he is high ranking in magika anyone who is can block a bunch of things involving magic what you have to do is get a shield block and press the atack button to stun him by hitting him with your shield then use FUS RO DAH, thanks pal. How can they if they don’t guard/kill Emperors or have a super secret spy club and are useless? Paarthunax is alive and well, I’m still in good term with the Greybeards and the Blades are convinced the job is done and are talking to me again. What gives the Blades the right to deliver judgement upon Paarthurnax anyway? This finishes the quest and allows for additional Blades quests. Then get ready to make a run to Whiterun; the rest of the town will try to kill you. The world and it’s history is what makes the games so great. I think Bethesda should have given a few more moral/ethical decisions to make. its so fucking stupid that you cant kill them but you can kill paarthurnax. On the other hand, refuse to kill Paarthurnax and the Blades will shut you out. Have you learned nothing from us? I’d click the s**t out of that persuade option. A chance to properly play our characters alignment. Then just to add salt to the wound, I reanimated (using spell) the three recruits and had them attack both Delphine and Esbern while I aptly ransacked Sky Haven Temple for useful bits I could find. I think I know the reason why the Blades so desperately want to kill Paarthurnax. Playing the game at the moment and also had a look on sites like this about the Blades and Greybeards. Also, the Blades seem so blindly obsessed with their principles to the point of outright prejudicial hatred for dragons, no matter what. They pissed me off right from the beginning, i wasnt gonna killl at the beginning but when esbern told me to kill paarthurnax i was just like WTF FUCK NO then i went on this thread and i found out othere people chose paarthunax and i also saw how you can kill the blades with console then i fullon stabbed them shouted them off a cliff then spawned them again and killed them again, then i spawned like loads of dragons,giants and centurions and watched the brawl while on godmode, Most important choices in Skyrim are in background. I guess im going to just have to ignore the quest. It worked fine on Delphine, got nice finishing move on her and tossing her down I was the one doing all the work to keep their meddling butts safe. If they try anything I could disarm with a shout, Paarthurnax could shove em back and the Greybeards could tear them apart, without raising a finger. So, between the Blades and Paarthurnax, Paarthurnax gets far more points for helpfulness than the Blades. Why would a creature who’s natural instinct is to enslave Humans help them? Paarthurnax lives. That Paarthurnax had actually helped the ancient Nords fight against. Type in Console: It’is a pity that the story designers used a dualistic world view: Stormclocks – Imperium, after all, the description of dragons as being cruel and power hungry by nature isn’t that different from any animal… or humans for that matter… why cant they get salvation as well? Paarthurnax will appear for an extra cutscene after Alduin’s defeat, wherein he details his plans to rein in the Dragons and teach them to live under the Way of the Voice. Paarthurnax showed me the last word of Yol Toor Shul, and guided me to the Elder scroll, which led to my learning of the shout Joor Zah Frul. And now the traitorous duo are going to die. Paarthurnax said no such thing. LOL, I just kind of, you know, used console commands to spawn 10 alduins in the Blades hide out, they both cant die so they are going to be there for a LONG time. Speaking of that, when the Blades asked me to kill Paarthurnax, I was reminded of some of the Daedric Princes ordering me to do similar things. Never having to kill a single dragon. (Peruade)”, Where failing the intimidate would cause them to attack you. For some reason the Jarl’s housecarl goes missing when she dispatches troops to Riverwood, you’ll never become the Thane of Whiterun (own Breezehome), or get a dragon soul to unlock a shout. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America). Made you cut your hand for opening the entrance to Sky Haven temple. © Valve Corporation. Not *that* bothered by Arngeir, but Paarthurnax all the way. Surrender to the first Whiterun guard you see, pay the 40 gold fine and finish out your mission to inform the Jarl. Paarthurnax is the wisest living creature in Skyrim I have met, his wisdom and kindness is beyond any other. I have really been enjoying exploring all Skyrim has to offer void of dragon attacks. Teaching Men how to use the Thu’um to fight dragons. It is always wise to mistrust a dovah. Good job taking it too seriously, douchemaster. In a cornered rat quest, my quest show me “talk to esbern”. From there on, the only down side is you won’t get your reward for recovering the Dragonstone, however the dragon will never appear at the watch tower. ): LIKE A BOSS, I recomend this mod. Oh yeah, or, this is just a video game and “giving in to the blades” doesn’t mean anything. I am so happy that an overwhelming majority feels that Paarthurnax more than deserves to live (at the very least have more right than those a-holes Delphine and Esbern) and I couldn’t have put the reasons any better than what has already been said. LOL, Yes yes the blades SUCK BUT IT IAS A,QUEST SO I MUST DO IT, I CANNOT BARE TO LOOK BUT IM SAD DONT BE ASHAMED OF ME! Maybe it works for you, but I’d rather drop dead than giving in to the Blades. Buncha hypocrites they are. You have to choose to kill Paarthurnax, but Odahviing can live .Can someone say shitty plot hole? They are rude, barely helpful, and will refuse to help the player if Paarthurnax dies even though the world, the entire bloody world depends on the player’s success. Thanks. If they refuse, I challenge them to a fair and just battle and defeat them in an honorable sword-to-sword combat. After all, repentance is something you deny to Paarthurnax by meting out you so-called justice. Haha some of the replies on here are hilarious “i fus ro dah’d that old c#nt off the cliff” its a shame I wont ever be joining the blades, as soon as she said kill him I left. The Dragon who has stood up against Alduin, a dragon who has been waiting for thousands of years for Alduin’s Return, the Dragon that convinced the Greybeards to teach you the shouts, he taught you shouts himself, guided your way to learn Dragonrend during the original fight versus Alduin – which would also force him on the ground. Hope she had a good flight and a not so good landing! You can argue in Paarthurnax's defense, but both will reiterate the war crimes and atrocities committed by Paarthurnax. What pisses me off is that The Blades would let their bullshit interfere with saving the world. -“Don’t you think it would be useful having a dragon on our side? I know this. Ok So the only way you will learn how to kill Alduin is with the help of Paarthurnnax, if you kill him. It was he who first taught men to use the Thu’um. When Delphine said something like : “Delphine: Make your chocie Dragonborn. To kill such an old living thing is inexcusable. I should have let the Thalmor kill them instead of bringing the Thalmor after me (I really hate them too). They accompany you to Sky Haven Temple, The Blade’s old base, when they learn that the leader of the Greybeards is Paarthurnax, one of Alduin’s Chief Leitenants and Alduin’s Brother. Then i made a necklace with Ulfrick’s soul. I’m gonna enjoy killing those meddlers. means you lied to them, told them you killed him(maybe bring dragonbone from somebody else you killed) and asked him to sit on the other side of the mountain. ‘if you are not with me, then you are my enemy.’ evil sons o’ bitches. Arngeir: Yes. I was told to choose, and I did; I did not choose the Blades, and the quest was left forever unfinished without the ability to truly choose for Paarthurnax to live. I still have an house in Whiterun, joining up with the companions and doing that quest line will get you a bed and storage. I don’t give a s*it whether they help me or not, angry with me or not!! Okay. Then get rid of the honorless Fractions and proclaim yourself to the Highking. Enough of the dreaming of a second and better mount and blade. Of course. Not like he was active during the time Alduin and the other dragons were gone. He may have betrayed Alduin in the end, but that makes him worse, not better. @Leo Paarthurnax once worked alongside Alduin as a villain, and The Blades believe that he deserves to die for his past crimes. They get you this far, attend the peace conference, admonish the leaders for not putting their differences aside until the dragon problem is resolved, yet THEN refuse to help address the dragon problem… the very one they got uppity about everyone else ignoring… until you do this one thing? My conversation with Paarthurnax was without a doubt one of the most enlightening in the entire game. >:C. Quick question, Will killing Paarthurnax or keeping him alive effect the Dragonborn DLC? You feel it in yourself, do you not? Are Delphine and Esbern right, or do you believe Paarthurnax is no longer a threat to the world ? step 3. laugh and enjoy What a dilemma. And who gives a giggity if he turns evil, he’ll be some other Dragonborn’s problem, maybe even another universe’s, just not mine. It is really interesting to see the choices we make and ponder. Also, the Blades seem so blindly obsessed with their principles to the point of outright prejudicial hatred for dragons, no matter what. How paranoid can they really be? -Before the quest I recruited my most talented, loyal, and noble companions into the Blades They send you on missions to find shouts. The blades are amazing. As such he had to get destroyed … I doubt they had done the same if he was an actual living thing. Nice one, I wasn’t aware that this option exists. So letting you finish off the group would make no sense just like not killing Paarthunax by the end of the game results in his flying away leading the other dragons and giving into his urge for power. 2. “There are those that say the Blades still exist around us, in hiding from the Thalmor. And there is two of them. Using help “Esbern” 0 and help “Delphine” 0 you can find the actor IDs then you use setessential to make them mortal. The Throat of the World: Receive a lesson from Paarthurnax. .. good luck, You know what… I killed Paarthurnax and absorbed his soul with Azura’a star, then i encanted my Daedric blade with his soul and killed Alduin. After a lot conversation complete, he agreed to open the door. I prefer to keep alive a dragon who helped me through my quest line instead of 2 A@@holes who used me for the entire quest line. Human nature is NOT so deterministic as some psychopath want us to believe, even one person can evolve during his/her own life, as did Paarthurnax…. But just as Paarthurnax’s later deed do not expiate his crimes, your deeds do not allow us to ignore our duty. knowing that they are the last of their kind, and that the Blades end with them. How do we do that? Way of The Voice is useless to anything your character would want to do, and you don’t even need their help to get shouts tat you can look up online. Their was nothing else they could be. they can’t exactly climb all the way up there to check. (Intimidate)” Page 3 of 5 - About Paarthurnax, the Blades and the Dragonborn - posted in Skyrim Spoilers: Let's be completely honest, here. Zin krif horvut se suleyk.”, what if it turns out Paarthurnax is the Dragon the legends and prophecies are referring to as the world ender, and it wasnt Alduin? 2. -- If you kill Paarthurnax you can recruit and expand the Blades, otherwise Esbern and Delphine remain uncooperative but not overtly hostile. On PC it is possible to complete this quest without killing Paarthurnax by using the console command setstage MQPaarthurnax 100. And if that’s not enough, his events prior to Skyrim are : Now I’m looking at mods to finish the story I have created in my head. Yeah, but ONE Dovahkiin can probably fuck up the whole Thalmor army… I mean is not Dovahkiin “immortal” beacause he is a dragon??? Haha, nice to read that I am not the only one feeling this way! Paarthurnax was the author of many atrocities during the Dragon War – crimes great enough to be remembered for thousands fo years. Although I think the Blades are ignorant jerks, I like the idea of having a place for my 3 favorite in-game mages (Erandur, Illia, Aranea Ienith) to stay in one area. Only problem is I’m playing on the PS3 so I won’t be able to open console and make the Blades killable :/ So I’ll just have to ignore them, @Ellie (whom do you choose?) I am glad she is gone and I have two Iron Daggers named Esbern and Delphine that I stuck on the weapon rack in Sky Haven Temple. Love the feedback on how you got rid of them! I've never completed the main quest, My sister told me about this... oh and I haven't gotten the elder scroll yet so … I would use it after killing the Blades just to clear out the quest. Fuck those blades. So what I did was, When I first got the objective from Esbern. You can imagine the dialogue (You tell Paarthunax that he will be spared but that the Greybeards must not tell the Blades that he survives. Also for the Aldmeri Dominion’s crushing defeat of the Legion. Paarthurnax Bug - posted in General Skyrim Discussion: Is there anyway of killing Paarthurnax after you kill alduin on pc, i have tryed the console kill command, smacking him with a sword, werewolf slicing, nothing seems to work, and i wanna do the blades quest line, any ideas Kill Esbern, steal his soul and beat Delphine with it! ALL those that refuse to kill Paarthurnax are weak and should perish MUAAAAHAHAHHA ! You’re either with us or against us.”. Blades armor is heavy armor, so recruits who do not favor that skill will be at a disadvantage. kill those two blades and restart blades with followers myself. But, I ended up doing it, just because I wanted to continue the questline and keep my loyalty to the Blades. Stand in front of Paarthurnax and press Z to demonstrate him your power (screen above). made my mood for the day). Then i made a sheild with General Tullius’s soul. Yeah, I really dislike the way the Blades behave, hence my solution that issue . The reassured Arngier that I wasn’t going to kill Paarthurnax after talking to him. The blades are arrogant fools. and honour the Blades whom you serve. (! And it first started off way towards when I first met her and the comment she made along the lines of “I have the Horn or Jurgen Windcaller, does that make me Dragonborn too?” Now I know the point of it was the last trial to prove I was Dragonborn, but anyone with enough skill and ability could probably retrieve the Horn. That quest was designed under some twisted philosophy right from the beginning : vengeance IS NOT justice, as blind faith IS NOT an “agent” of an evolving intelligence and reasoning (thus in opposition to human nature), on the contrary. We can’t afford to give Paarturnax the opportunity to betray us in turn, and return to his old master. It's possible to at the very least delay* being told to kill Paarthurnax by just not getting within forced-greeting range of Delphine/Esbern at the Council - make sure you get out of your seat and walk away as soon as the meeting is finished, or at least stay away from Delphine. It’s very hard to come by wisdom and kindness in any universe, even our own. It is nice to see that I was not the only person who thinks that way and I have to chuckle at some of the great ideas players describe here. or spawn another parthurnax with the code since the original is dead? So, between the Blades and Paarthurnax, Paarthurnax gets far more points for helpfulness than the Blades. Paarthurnax: " Evenaar Bahlok. but i have a better solution They may have went through the same hardships as the early Nords of Skyrim. It was the major storyline quest for dragon born happen. how I kill him however he lead me the way to become more powerful , also without him I would not get the dragonrend shout and defeat Alduin for the first time or even get the Elder Scroll !!!!! @Valeri My opinion its a matter of morality. They are not going to have the strongest one alive after Alduins death suddenly turn the others peaceful it goes against their role in the lore. 5. They want Paarthunax dead, they can bloody well go and kill him themselves. So I don’t see how it’s an obvious choice. dislikes also the Blades and their genocideose agenda, Also the blades are correct not to trust parthunaxx because as a dragon he could revert to killing the races of tamirel becoming the destroyer of time recorded on alduin’s wall. Justice can be harsh. Arngeir then proceed to warn the Dragonborn that the Blades say that they serve the Dragonborn, but they do not and never have. >3. Paarthurnax : Makes the Greybeards teach you a shout, and to be more respectull and approving of your actions. There is no reason to side with the blades unless you really hate Dragons. Probably not. Thanks. Haha, yeah … love them, too. The Blades see dragons merely as a threat to be vanquished, while the Greybeards see them as powerful, near-divine beings, capable of both profound good and cataclysmic evil. One can speculate all day. I am now traveling to slaughter these self-righteous clowns. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I am not trying to please both factions, I am taking my stand and that is for sure at the side of Paarthurnax! — (Persuade) After all he has done to help us, he deserves a second chance. And, it is quite easy to see why he wants his own brother overthrown, and why he helped you defeat Alduin, because at the fight at the throat of the world, if you wear dragonplate or dragonscale armour, Alduin will say “The Dovah are weak!” meaning Alduin might of hated his own kind. Also, didn’t you hear Paarthurnax’s little speech at the end about how Alduin was his brother and that the world will never be the same for him? now I kill him ? I think Paarthurnax deserves a second chance. And “guard and serve the Dragonborn” my ass. ^ This. Would you trust a serial killer even if he saved a life? FWBs? He could rape them while talking to you about history, the way of the voice .. all while they would be screaming like skinned pigs. Sworn to guide the Dragonborn my ass. You beat the blades, trick paarthunaax and win the day. When it comes time to talk to Esbern however, he will not finish this quest or start the Dragon Hunting quest until Paarthurnax is slain. If you side with the Blades and go kill Paarthurnax, the Greybeards will not be very happy. During the events of Skyrim they help you understand about the Dragons and return of Alduin. They specialise in meddling with matters they barely understand. The problem with me is that i play it on xbox so i dont have console to kill the blades. True, he turned traitor to Alduin and helped overthrow the Dragon Cult, but that does nto excse or expiate his previous deeds. Morally it’s wrong, but Way of The voice is useless. If not for Paarthurnax, Alduin could not have been overthrown. I really hope that Bethesda doesn’t make it canon of his death in the next TES game… My allegiance is with Paarthurnax more than anyone else in the game. It’s a win-win situation. Paarthurnax must die. I thought the Dragonborn devoured his soul? Good luck, you self-righteous and arrogant sacks of meat. After finishing the main quest the blades have served their purpose and are completely useless, yes you can recruit new blade members and they can aid you in fighting dragons in the fixed dragon lair locations, but when you already defeated the main boss you are bloody powerful for most dragons and you can single handily beat them. Now I am very curious what “Zin krif horvut se suleyk” at the end of the Paarthurnax dialogue “”No day goes by where I am not tempted…” translates to. Nov 30, 2014 - Explore Clyyyde's board "Paarthurnax" on Pinterest. They are your kind! Even though he did some good deeds he never paid for his crimes and was a threat to the safety of the entire planet. I don’t think paarthurnax is the problems, it is the attitude of the blades. For some reason I cant kill Esbern after setting him not essential. From which you’ve read so far…I think the question Paarthurnax or Blades? re: *SPOILERS* The Blades and Paarthurnax The writers do a very poor job of justifying Paarnurthax's murder. Elder Knowledge: Recover an Elder Scroll to learn an Ancient Secret. One day you are going to need a dragon and then what? My guess is Paarthurnax realized the end of times means for him also and this is his way of self-preserving his own being. Here’s the big picture. Well I am NOWHERE near that part of the game yet, but I already know not to kill an ally, especially one as scaly and helpful as a dragon! P.S. Then you go to Sky Heaven Temple and tell Delphine you did no kill the Dragon. I don’t get it. step 2. fus ro dah them off the edge and watch them rag doll off the side of the cliff http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8426 this is an excellent workaround, or this one http://skyrim.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=8879, I am very confused guys ,, what can I do ???? Waiting as they have done time and time again, for a Dragonborn to return. » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:11 pm It should also not have been depicted as an apparently black & white situation based on the moral absolutes of a D & D alignment system which I wish would just die . At first, this site is about role playing games, of course it won’t matter outside the game. @dragonslayer22 Would you simply be a tool in the hands of the Blades, to be used for their own purposes? “We were made to dominate … The will to power is in our blood. Now, that story can reach the simple ending I always meant it to. If Alduin goes/went down then why wouldn’t he too? NO SPOILERS!!! Delphine isn't very popular and most people choose not to kill Paarthurnax. Who did you side with ?The story behind Paarthurnax reminds me Anakin Skywalker at the end of Star Wars Episode VI. i got pissed and shouted delphine off the cliff though since i cant kill her without xbox. For one the Blades serve the Dov, not the other way around. I just ran across this line from Delphine “the Blades are sworn to protect the dragonborn, the greatest dragonslayer of all”…. Delphine has been a major annoyance for me since the moment she’d barged in on my questline. My current solution is to let the Blades be, shall they die in their own hate, I was told to choose, and I did; I did not choose the Blades, and the quest was left forever unfinished without the ability to truly choose for Paarthurnax to live. Oh and The Blades hate The Thalmor, I think Blades is the logical side, and Empire too. They put my to the decision pro or aginst them, and i decide against their hate. Killing Paarthurnax is a quest that Delphine will go out of her way to give you much later in the main questline, and you’ll have a chance to refuse it. The Fallen: Capture and interrogate an ally of Alduin. Dude, you’re my hero. Paarthurnax or Blades? 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