But why didn't she tell Credence then? I think it was Grindelwald himself who transfigured him, too. Today Warner Bros. released the full cast list for Fantastic Beasts: “The Crimes of Grindelwald and someone truly important to the Harry Potter world came up among these names.. She is the women in the ship with the baby Credence/Aurelius. 2)Albus Dumbledore has an aunt named Honoria. But I believe Rowling will find a way to explain this. Bei „Bachelor in Paradise“ war Aurelio sofort verzaubert von Sam. Also, there is no mention of Dumbledore having a relationship with anyone. Even if Corvus is dead, there could still be another person to fit that definition. So that’s what convinced him that Credence is a Dumbledore everyone (if they knew of him at all) thought dead. If Dumbledore had a son, there would be at least one person on the planet that would know about it. I go for the third option. Why Grindelwald was willing to risk her telling him, if, as it seems the case in the first draft, he didn't order Grimmson to kill her? Also, getting out of the story, I think that the actors who play Abernathy and Corvus IV really resemble one another. When his magic saved him from drowning. I always felt brother was off, but family member still felt right. Furthermore, the name Grindelwald gives Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore. Hell, she could have been married and have him, and the prophecy wouldn't be wrong as he still has Dumbledore blood, just not the surname. But according to FB2, he must’ve been around 25 in 1926. She was once engaged to a wizard who worked in the Improper Use of Magic Office, but broke off her engagement to him, claiming that he had a "hairy heart" (a wizardingexpression for a person who is unfeeling). Next to him, Hagrid was being briefed by Professors Dumbledore and Flickwick. He could’ve been researching old archive records on Mary Lou, and found out about Irma and that she was on the same ship with two Dumbledores (aunt and a baby). It's almost a sure sign that something's going on. That means there really were some records that connected Barebones to the Lestranges (like names of the passengers on the ship, adoption papers). Wir wollten 2018 wissen, welche Fragen zu "Harry Potter" am meisten gesucht wurden. Think about Neville who fell out of a window and bounced in the garden like a ball. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Curator of the /r/RowlingWritings reddit collection, and the lead of the old jkrowling.com preservation project, as well as an active member of The Harry Potter Lexicon, Science Fiction Stack Exchange, and various reddit communities. So that was one part of Dumbledore’s family history that Skeeter had no means of recovering. Also, it's strange that Grindy sent Abernathy. Or she knew the whole truth. TL;DR: Basically Aurelius might be the son of Honoria, Albus Dumbledore's aunt on the father side, which makes him the cousin of Albus Dumbledore. Irma seems the best (and only) candidate. I think that Corvus V Lestrange must be, in some way, still alive, because of the Unbreakable Vow that hasn't killed Yusuf Kama yet. Yet now he seeks the mother who bore him. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. and as the final proof – a phoenix has come to Credence. Press J to jump to the feed. But in reality Leta saved Aurelius from the ship. Part 1: Changing Canon or Did Grindelwald plan to kill Irma? I think she might be Honoria. It might be a mislead. This theory claims that in that so called “summer” that Grindelwald spent with the Dumbledores, the dark wizard raped the youngest Dumbledore sibling and the product of that crime Aurelius was born. This seems to fill Credence, er Aurelius, with new purpose, because he … Credence Barebone was born around 1901, allegedly to the Dumbledore family, as Aurelius Dumbledore, according to Gellert Grindelwald.In 1901, Credence was taken by his aunt on a ship heading to America. And she didn’t care about his aunt. TL;DR: Basically Aurelius might be the son of Honoria, Albus Dumbledore's aunt on the father side, which makes him the cousin of Albus Dumbledore. Grimmson also, however, secretly received instructions from Gellert Grindelwald to kill Irma Dugard, to deprive Credence of the answers he was seeking and to push him into Grindelwald's arms. But only Grindelwald somehow realized that the babies had been switched. (4) I believe all those contradictions are due to the changes they made to the story sometimes during production of FB1. Facebook Twitter Flipboard Reddit Pinterest WhatsApp. 7)Also IMDB lists Linda Santiago as Credence's aunt. Their lifeboat sailed to safety… And in a list of insane ideas, it definitely deserves the top spot. He had all the necessary pieces of a puzzle. Maybe Rowling decided to make him a Dumbledore post-factum. It wouldn’t be the first time she changes Dumbledore’s birth year. Why bother at all really. Grindelwald’s entire character arch has been as a duplicitous liar/manipulater. I assume Grindelwald truly believes Credence to be Aurelius. Aurelius Dumbledore.” With that, Credence turned to the nearest window and, using his new wand, channeled the power of his Obscurus to shatter the glass and bring down half a mountain. FB2 has too many references to HP that feel forced (DADA classroom, McGonagall, Hedwig's theme) as well as to FB1. I think of a theory where the three dumbledore brothers are the same of the deathly hallows tales of three brothers where the albus gets the most powerful wand but Harry's father don't quite fit in this. 5)The reason we never knew Albus had a cousin is because after the ship sank Honoria died and they though the baby also died with her. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Or, at least, there is/was a Dumbledore named Aurelius. 3)Honoria being a spinster is such a weird information to give to your readers. (1) I suppose that’s true. Does it refer to the raven on his family crest? In dem heutigen Fantastic Beasts 2 Video präsentiere ich euch eine Theorie von mir, die sich mit Aurelius Dumbledore wahre Identität beschäftigt. That is weird and I think the reason for that is for the surname "Dumbledore". Whether Credence really is Aurelius or not, Albus Dumbledore must know something about his past and real identity. Google Trends analysiert jedes Jahr die Suchbegriffe in Deutschland. Or maybe she forgot her own timeline. Dumbledore was born in 1881, meaning he is about 46 years old when the events of Crimes of Grindelwald take place.When we meet Credence in Fantastic Beasts and Where to … If that's the case Jo has to deal with all the fanbase rage. How would she be his Honoria, if she was listed as Credence’ aunt in the credits? She raised him alone and thats why we don't see a father figure in the sinking ship scene in the Crimes of Grindelwald. If they planned to make another Dumbledore pop up, then they would've, for example, made the ship sink 2 to 5 years before. Honoria was a Britishwitch and the spinster aunt of Albus Dumbledore. In fact, when … Albus, Aberforth, Ariana... Aurelius fits perfectly to this naming trend. Yes, Credence Barebone is actually Aurelius Dumbledore, and we’ve got some theories to make sense of it. We need theories to try and uncover Rowling's original story. I won’t try to guess how he came to be or how exactly he is related to Albus Dumbledore: I think there are some facts we don’t know yet, we should wait and see what Rowling will reveal about this family in … You are putting 10 times more thought into it then the writers. We don't know if she is the sister of Percival(Albus' father) or Kendra(Albus' mother). Reddit; Mail; Embed; Permalink ; Bohemian Rhapsody. Aberforth attended Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry between 1895 and 1902. Curator of the /r/RowlingWritings reddit collection, and the lead of the old jkrowling.com preservation project, as well as an active member of The Harry Potter Lexicon, Science Fiction Stack Exchange, and various reddit communities. How did Grindelwald find out about Aurelius Dumbledore? It can't be Credence, because technicality he had never been underwater. Creedance is being manipulated into fighting Albus. (I think it happened sometimes before FB1 came out, and that’s why they decided to make 5 films). She has many alternative theories on FB that sometimes give different explanations, so all of them can’t be true, but I admire her thoughtful approach, how much she knows about history and mythology and her ability to link it to FB. Maybe there were just 2 babies on the ship. He was adopted by Mary Lou Barebone, the leader of a No-Maj anti-witchcraft group called the New Salem Philanthropic Society. 7)Also IMDB lists Linda Santiago as Credence's aunt. Alfonso Gomez-Rejon What's the craziest theory about Aurelius Dumbledore that you've heard? He apparently isn’t a random orphan: he’s Aurelius Dumbledore, the lost scion of the Dumbledore family and alleged brother to Albus and his siblings, Aberforth and Ariana. I don't know if it was mentioned somewhere in your post, but I would add something to your theory that Corvus V is still alive: The script states in scene 109 that there were magical light bubbles trailing from the sinking baby. i’m tired of living without no name, without no history. Yet now he seeks the mother who bore him. Der 2te Teil von Fantastic Beasts ist nun endlich in den Kinos angelaufen und das nehme ich zum Anlass mein erstes Video dazu online zu stellen. After Newton Scamander refused to assist the British Ministry of Magic, Grimmson was hired to travel to Paris in order to kill Credence Barebone. KATHERINE WATERSTON as Marguerite Westinghouse in The Current War (2017) dir. It wouldn't have escaped from Rita Skeeter for sure. My personal favorite theory is that he is a Homunculus (theory of S.Sipal on youtube) But I believe Rowling will go for the simplest and most natural explanation. 1883/1884) was a half-blood wizard, the second son of Percival and Kendra Dumbledore, younger brother of Albus, and older brother of Ariana. Aurelius Dumbledore is a totally new name that we’ve never heard before, and certainly Dumbledore had never mentioned a dead brother. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! ... Credence/Aurelius Dumbledore, Queenie Goldstein, Jacob Kowalski, Tina Goldstein, … Of course, he'd still need proof. Theories are nice but it the movie it will be dissapointing. Read the Reddit post for more. Credence Barebone (allegedly born Aurelius Dumbledore; c. 19011) was an American wizard who lived during the 20th century. When Grindelwald poses as Graves he definitely didn’t think Creedance was a Dumbledore. I’d bet money that he’s not a Dumbledore at all. Before DH it was widely believed to be around 1840. Just tell me my story… then you can end it.” “Credence Barebone. But why Grindy decided to choose Abernathy for supporting Vinda, instead of, for example, an acolyte who could speak French? It turns out Aurelius Dumbledore is the long lost brother of Albus Dumbledore as revealed by Grindelwald to Credence Barebone at the end of … Personally, I am inclined to think he’s lying so he can use Credence as a weapon against Albus later on. Harry Potter's world has gotten so, so complicated. In dem heutigen Fantastic Beasts 2 Video präsentiere ich euch eine Theorie von mir, die sich mit Aurelius Dumbledore wahre Identität beschäftigt. I'm also interested in the exact wording of the Unbreakable Vow and who the third person was who made the vow between Yusuf and his father. Are there any you've come up with yourself? And he had it. In general, in the case he reveals to be Corvus V, my feeling is that Abernathy doesn't know it yet. He probably did his research on Dumbledores years ago, but thought that those two died when the ship sank. I theorised (not sure if on Reddit or somewhere else) that Corvus V may be Abernathy because we know few things about him apart from the fact that he's probably (of whom he's acolyte?) I'm still not sure how to interpret the predictions of Tycho Dodonus, but this fits with the part about "return, great avenger with wings from the water". So Grindelwald wasn't lying about that for sure. Phoenix is proof that he is related to Dumbledore. He’s desperate for love.” - Gellert Grindelwald. (5) Susan Sipal is a great theorist. I think that, if Credence reveals to be a Dumbledore, then we'll see that Grindy needed that sort of baptism in order to successfully recruit the boy, that was in his most desperate moment. Notice the Pheonix chick only comes into Creedance’s possession immediately before meeting Grindelwald on the Paris rooftop and at the end of the film the chick only turns into a Pheonix when handled by Grindelwald, who is both gifted in transfiguration and shares a blood bond with Albus Dumbledore. Even if you don't agree (it does seem just a teensy bit out of character for Dumbledore), you have to admit that this is a pretty insane idea. Who is Aurelius Dumbledore? (3) First of all, if there was another Dumbledore, it remains unlikely that everyone in the magical community knew that 2 Dumbledores died/were in that ship. Aurelius looked at the lining of the trees, trying his best to ignore the weird grin the Caretaker was giving him. He researched Dumbledores and Lestranges. It is fan service, you're right. While most … (4) About the timelines I think that, if they wanted to change timelines, they would've made it since FB1. Credence was 18 years old in the first movie set in 1926, so he was born around 1908, and Dumbledore is 45 years old in The Crimes of Grindelwald, set in 1927. I think that I can pacifically affirm that that wasn't a phoenix, as phoenixes canonically work in the opposite way, both in powers and behaviour. Grindelwald discovered Credence's true identity through his visions and 3 months of research. He gives him a wand, tells him that his brother wants to hurt him and gives him the name "Aurelius Dumbledore." We where expecting clever plot twist but we got plot twist that made no sense and random noncence. Fantastic Beasts aesthetic : Credence / Aurelius Dumbledore “Who i am ? Perhaps that’s because the Dumbledore name was lost decades/centuries ago by marriage– and now it’s finally being restored! He’s desperate for love.” But only Grindelwald knew that Credence isn't Corvus. Dumbledore… Credence attempted to stop an… As to him growing rapidly etc. Today Warner Bros. released the full cast list for Fantastic Beasts: “The Crimes of Grindelwald and someone truly important to the Harry Potter world came up among these names.. Credence was supposed to be 18, or less. that’s just a goof of the special effects department. The ship later sank during a storm and Credence was taken by Leta and Irma Dugard to a lifeboat. (until that guitar comes in– then it’s Albus at Gellert, all the way). He was switched in the crib by a young Leta Lestrange for her half-brother Corvus because he was crying. Dieses Geheimnis offenbart Gellert Grindelwald Credence auf dem Schloss Nurmengard, nachdem sich Barebone dem Schwarzmagier … He was one step ahead of Dumbledore, who knew both families (I believe he started to research the Lestranges very recently, around the time the rumors about Credence's lineage started) but didn't know Abernathy or had any other reason to think that the babies were switched and Credence wasn't a Lestrange. 41 notes Jan 23rd, 2019. TL;DR: Basically Aurelius might be the son of Honoria, Albus Dumbledore's aunt on the father side, which makes him the cousin of Albus Dumbledore. Imo, the main plot of FB2 was good, but badly executed. Spoilers: The surprise in The Crimes of Grindelwald that could break canon (again) November 2, 2018. Der junge Zauberer Credence Barebone soll in Wahrheit Aurelius Dumbledore der Bruder der Dumbledore Geschwister sein. I believe that proves why Grindelwald and no one else was able to discover the truth. 3,569 notes. Why else would she change his age? Initially WB wanted a documentary-style film about Newt and his beasts, but Rowling went and created a whole new story and a bunch of new characters. She's known to do that. 6)Near the end of the second movie, after Grindelwald gave a wand to Credence/Aurelius he cast a spell that exploded a mountain. Of course, the bigger mystery is how Aurelius/Credence was born. According to the press release, actress Fiona Glascott has been cast as no other than Minerva … Demi Michelle Schwartz is a writer for The Rowling Library Magazine and the Hufflepuff host on Lumos Maxima. Grindelwald could’ve received a proof he is one (Abernathy being able to access their vault). This point is important because the pheonix is, for now, the only (apparent) evidence of Credence=Aurelius Dumbledore. I don't know if she can drop it now, she has to explain that Aurelius revelation somehow. (2) A phoenix is a powerful symbol. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the FantasticBeasts community. That’s why I believe that it’s a real phoenix and not some trick of Grindelwald’s. Kama made a vow to kill the person Lestrange sr. loves best. I don’t think Grindelwald made up a whole new person. Such as showing characters who should not be alive yet. Or they (always JKR and her staff of dozens of people of international excellence) would've started the whole story some years before 1926, since large time jumps (in order to show 1945) where already planned. IMDb is not a great source when it comes to credits. I can completely see Credence/Aurelius singing Bohemian Rhapsody. In any case, do we know what happens when it’s impossible to fulfill an unbreakable vow? he met the real Corvus, who is Abernathy. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Fantastic Beasts 3, the upcoming film set in J. K. 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